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13 April 2007 @ 01:56 pm
Green-Liberal alliance  
So the Greens have now decided that they arn't going to behave like a real party, and instead support the Grits. The Toronto Star even announced that May was touting Dion as the best possible PM.

Some drive to govern. In one swell foop, they've gone from a fully-fledged party that deserves inclusion in the debates, to a vocal interest group.

This does make my voting intentions MUCH easier now though, which is a good thing.


ps: wrt France - Go Bayrou!!!!
leehasaljleehasalj on April 13th, 2007 04:53 pm (UTC)
Where on Earth did you get that she said Dion would be the best PM? According to UNNAMED sources in this article, http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e0ced7e8-3622-4bc2-8ebb-5b0caf1d92ca&k=42956, May said Dion would be a better PM than Harper, as does the Toronto Star article.

And how does allying with another party make them less of a party? I the last Election, the Tories allied with the Bloq. The Liberals were trashing the Conservatives throughout the entire election about their tenuous alliance.
Nathaniel BenAngeloangel_thane on April 13th, 2007 04:57 pm (UTC)
I got it from the Star article "Liberals won't run candidate against Elizabeth May; she reciprocates for Dion, touts him as best PM"


Allying with another party (and suggesting that they should govern) shows that a party isn't interested (or thinking itself capable) of governing itself; ergo not really a serious party.

The Tories didn't ally with the Bloc at all last election; the Liberals tried to portray it like that, but that was more mudslinging than facts.
leehasaljleehasalj on April 13th, 2007 08:42 pm (UTC)
You do realize that what you have quoted is the sub-headline of the article and not an actual fact, don't you? Sub-headlines are put on articles by harried editors that don't have enough time to properly read articles and create headlines for them.

Did you even read the whole article? This whole thing hasn't been formerly announced, May has NOT said that Dion would be the best PM, only that he would be better than Harper in regards to the environment. The author of this article is going on hearsay, rumours and unnamed sources!
Nathaniel BenAngeloangel_thane on April 13th, 2007 11:29 pm (UTC)
You do realise that in politics, perception is everything, don't you?
leehasaljleehasalj on April 14th, 2007 04:54 pm (UTC)
You're absolutely right. I have once again been mistaken in believing that everyone around me is intelligent enough to take what they see on the news and in the paper with a grain of salt and to actually read between the lines.
Nathaniel BenAngeloangel_thane on April 14th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I make that mistaken far too often myself. No damage no chicken.
Beth Ann: system report: everything is finemacbethann on April 15th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
I definitely think it's going to backfire on them in a major way. May was extremely unlikely to win her seat, but by endorsing Dion she's harmed the chances of other Green candidates in ridings where they might have made inroads. And if May does somehow pull out a win, it won't have been on her own merits, but because there was no Liberal (people will see it this way whether or not it's the case). She'll feel beholden to Dion for her seat, and her behaviour in the house will probably reflect this.

I think it was a dumb move for Dion as well. Neither the Liberals nor the Greens will win in Central Nova, so by not running a candidate, he's not giving up a seat per se. But if I was a Liberal in that riding, I would be very mad that my party didn't care enough to even go through the motions (especially in a riding where May can't possibly win). Plus. The Liberal vote will likely split between the NDP/Greens and the Tories, meaning a win for MacKay.
Nathaniel BenAngeloangel_thane on April 15th, 2007 04:52 pm (UTC)
May's first mistake was running in Central Nova. Especially after her fantastic showing in the London-area byelection (now THAT would have been a deal that I would be amazed if Dion swallowed), it's ridiculous she's not running there again. Her second mistake was making her deal with the Dion. (incidentally, even if ever Grit vote swings Green, it's still only good enough for second place; to win it, she's got to get every Liberal vote, AND take a few thousand from the Dippers.)

I'm still not convinced that this is going to hurt Dion beyond some backroom grumbling (his inability to win the election, OTOH, will). You're absolutely correct that Liberals in that riding will be POed - but that's the thing, it's Liberals in THAT riding; I'm not as sure that Grit voters in Quebec and Ontario are going to care so much about the disenfranchisement of voters in the Maritimes.